Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
I would like to ask that What Guru Granth Sahib Ji Say about Vishnu..I have listned about Bhrama..Budh..Indra And Shiv through The Shabads Of Guru Sahib,But What The Holy Guru Says About Vishnu..If Any Of you Gursikhs Know about such a Holy Line or Shabad which talks about Vishnu please do Share.Thanks!
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh! There are many, many mentions in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Remember, Vishnu had 10 incarnations including Rama, Krishna and Buddha. So too many Shabads to mention. Just do a search on those names.
Dear Fool.
I deeply respect Sikhism, as the Vaishnavas follow a disciplic Guru Parampara as Sikhs. But I am astonished if this is what is actually taught in Sri Gurugranthsahib. The Supreme Personality is called a demigod or even worse, a being like us? Loll Any references that you can give?
Vaishnava dasanudas
Well, Chaubis Avtar in Sri Guru Dasam Granth Sahib Ji states "Those who are called twenty-four incarnations; O Lord ! they even could not realise thee in a small measure". These "twenty-four incarnations" are speaking of the twenty-four avtars of Vishnu (some claim there are 10 avtars, others 24). Krishna claimed to be entirely God, no other but he. This was insanely egotistical and he used his sidh/mystical powers to "prove" it, though it is of course not true. How can he be God if he committed such a lie? This can be proven to the Vaishnavites (devotees of Vishnu) by showing them Yajurveda, a one of the four holy Vedas of Hinduism, which states "There is no image of Him", and thus he is Nirankar (formless).
But, then again, another form of Vishnu, Rama, fought evil tyrants and had to save his wife Sita from danger, along with the help of Hanuman and his army. He was a true soldier-saint, and thus was good.
Gurbani says that there are ten incarnations of Vishnu, but not the ones commonly referred to. Guru Gobind Singh listed the good and bad 'avtars' in Chaubis Avtar and showed which ten are truly Vishnu, and which fourteen are not. From the Primal Void, the ten incarnations welled up - Guru Nanak Dev Ji
Those devotees of Vishnu like Dhru and Prehlad reached liberation because the true Vaishnava path is true, but almost lost. But of course we believe Sikhism is the truth above all other truths. Guru Amar Das says, "Vishnu is always busy reincarnating himself - who will save the world?" Waheguru will save the world. Though Vishnu's path is true, that of Sikhi is true above truth itself.
So Vishnu is real, and is a deity, but he still sings at the door of God (stated in Japji Sahib) and is just life you and me because he has jeevan (soul).
Akaaal! I write this on Vaisakhi, so I hope you have/do have a blessed one!
The Fool
Vaishnava dasanudas - this is only my interpretation, and the quotes are from guru adhi granth and guru dasam granth. I said it wrong when I saif vishnu is like u and me. I meant that he isn't the supreme godhead. He is a deity but is equally a part of waheguru like you and me. Sikhi doesn't say krishna can't lead you to god at all. His is a great path. What part of vaishnavism r u part of, one of the four samprayads? When I converted to sikhi I considered vaishnavism. Let Vishnuji bless you eternally.
Vishnu is not god by gurbani gurbani never accept vishnu is god .. Gurbani believe in akal purakh not vishnu so pls stop said vishnu is god
No one here said that Vishnu is God. Reread pauri 35 of Japji Sahib. (Note: Indra is Vishnu) "Such is life in the Realm of Dharma, but now let us speak of the Realm of Wisdom. So many waters, winds and fires! So many Krishnas! So many Shivas! So many Brahmas creating colors shapes and forms of countless kinds! So many planets, mountains and actions! So many ways to learn devotion! So many Indras, suns and moons! So many galaxies! So many places! So many souls of power and wisdom! So many goddesses! So many yogis! So many gods and demons and sages! So many jewels! So many oceans! So many sources and manners of speaking! So many kingdoms! So many kings! So many ways to tune in and to serve! O Nanak! So many things!"
Ok. Thank you for your valuable posts. Now let's take certain points under consideration. When we speak of Vedas, do we know for a fact that whatever we're speaking is correct? Are we having that much intelligence. The unparalleled Sripad Madhavacharya, can site 3 meanings for each verse in the Vedas! If for a normal language like English can have multiple meanings for a single word, what to speak of Sanskrit and the Vedas. These are the most ancient and the most impeccable knowledge known to mankind! Now when you refer to the verse - "There is no image of Him", from Yajurved, the following is the complete verse - na tasya pratima asti yasya nama mahadyasha Hiranyagarbha ithyesha ma ma hingseethithyesha yasmanna jatha ithyesha Esho ha deva prathishonu sarva poorvo ha jatha sa u grabho antha Sa eva jatha sa janishyamaana prathyang janasthishttathi sarvathomugha
And here's a literal interpretation of this verse - O God your mightines , supremeness is the top, you are unmeasurable, only you knows your true form, you created the things like sun, the God who is not born from anything is worshipable, let him not hurt us The Supreme God is filled everywhere, he was in the mind and in the creations of all times , he is in everything in a secret form. he exists in all times, his strength is filled everywhere.
So when we say, Na taya pratima asti, it actual means, that God has "NO EQUALS".
Coming to other points, if GuruGranthSahib states that there are so many Krishnas, and Vishnu's, it's correct. Because God has got many Expansions. Following is a verse from Isopanishad - om purnam adah purnam idam
purnat purnam udacyate
purnasya purnam adaya
purnam evavasisyate -
The literal translation is - The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.
So Whatever expansions that God has, are All perfect and are Non Different from Him. It's our Incapability of senses if we've to think it the other way round thinking that there are many Krishna's and Vishnu's and etc.
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