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I'm trying to understand Babar Vani. I've read forums where people write Babar was a chosen agent by God citing- "The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mughal as the messenger of death" (page 360). Does it mean that because Babur was chosen by God to murder people ,etc. who had bad karma? Or does it mean that Babur, through his free will, chose to do that? My understanding of Karma and free will was that God's hukam rules all, including the law of Karma. We all exercise free will but we reap what we sow and that sets up for our next life. Forgive me, I've read through tons of old Sikhnet forums but i still don't understand the meaning of "chosen agent."

I'm also wondering about those who suffered from what he did, are there real innocents (people who didn't have karmic accounts outstanding but suffered from Babar anyways)? He states that those who suffered did not remember God. But Guru Ji was also a prisoner of Babur so I'm confused.

Forgive me if i've made any mistakes, i'm just beginning to learn about all this.

I'm trying to understand Babar Vani. I've read forums where people write Babar was a chosen agent by God citing- "The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mughal as the messenger of death" (page 360). Does it mean that because Babur was chosen by God to murder people ,etc. who had bad karma? Or does it mean that Babur, through his free will, chose to do that? My understanding of Karma and free will was that God's hukam rules all, including the law of Karma. We all exercise free will but we reap what we sow and that sets up for our next life. Forgive me, I've read through tons of old Sikhnet forums but i still don't understand the meaning of "chosen agent."

I'm also wondering about those who suffered from what he did, are there real innocents (people who didn't have karmic accounts outstanding but suffered from Babar anyways)? He states that those who suffered did not remember God. But Guru Ji was also a prisoner of Babur so I'm confused.

Forgive me if i've made any mistakes, i'm just beginning to learn about all this.

I'm trying to understand Babar Vani. I've read forums where people write Babar was a chosen agent by God citing- "The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mughal as the messenger of death" (page 360). Does it mean that because Babur was chosen by God to murder people ,etc. who had bad karma? Or does it mean that Babur, through his free will, chose to do that? My understanding of Karma and free will was that God's hukam rules all, including the law of Karma. We all exercise free will but we reap what we sow and that sets up for our next life. Forgive me, I've read through tons of old Sikhnet forums but i still don't understand the meaning of "chosen agent."

Forgive me if i've made any mistakes, i'm just beginning to learn about all this.