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was that ANAND KAARAJ valid ..??

asked 2012-08-31 15:36:57 -0600

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Last Saturday, daas went to an Anand Kaaraj of a very chardikala couple...they were not directly from jatha but Laava was performed by Jatha Singhs. Families frm both d sides were pretty excited and people from many different jathebandi's were too there. Atmosphere was sublime, everyone was just waiting for the Lavaa's to get read and couple performing parikarmaa's around Guru Sahib. Granthi Singh performed ardaas, tooked hukamnaama, Keertani Singh read ਉਸਤਤਿ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀ ਮੈ ਹਭ ਵਞਾਈ ਛੋੜਿਆ ਹਭੁ ਕਿਝੁ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥ ਹਭੇ ਸਾਕ ਕੂੜਾਵੇ ਡਿਠੇ ਤਉ ਪਲੈ ਤੈਡੈ ਲਾਗੀ ॥੧॥ nd Granthi Singh then started reading Laava from Gurusaab and so did the Keertani Singhs (sung) and with each Laav couple went around Guru Sahib. In short everything was in maryaada.

but wait wait wait ...!!!

were Guru Sahib really present there....???

i wish m wrong, but i believe my true guru the LARRIVAARSAROOP OF SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ were not there ..!! So everything which was performed -Ardaas for the aagya, Palle di rasam, Laava performed were valid ..?? Will there marriage will be parvaan in the dargah of guru ..??

m sure many of us do not care about our true guru ...but it does not make them any lesser important.

So please at least on certain important occasions where Guru Sahib needs to be present hazar-najar we should prakash of our true guru in their original LARRIVAAR form.

bhull -chukk maaf kr diyo je ..may maharaj still bless that couple.

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answered 2012-09-04 05:14:13 -0600

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updated 2012-09-04 05:16:03 -0600

What an outstanding way to put it ... simply gr8 bhenji : "You have to ask a question does the meaning of the shabad change when the saroop is not larivaar"....

We need to remember : Bhole Bhaaye mile raghuraia ..... and believe that there is no other way ..... coz ... sehas sayanappa will not come to my rescue ....

Direct corollary .... why did bhai kanhaiya jee offer water to injured mughal soldiers in the war. Why did Guru Maharaj praise him for that and tell him that he alone had understood the essence.

We are good at spotting the differences ... and our naive mind makes us believe that we are correct in our reasonings....it'll make us believe that it is according to the Gurmat .... but is it ...... really ????????? Have I ever ever realized -- Is it not my biggest weakness instead that I can spot differences (valid/invalid) in this perfect creation of our master .......

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Pad-ched can never be good.

Nothing good has come out of Pad-ched and nothing can. All the expansion that you speak of is the exact example of what the problem in the Panth is. Too many fake "Sikhs" following a fake "Guru".

There is no Sikhi without Guru Granth Sahib jee. And Pad-ched is not Guru.

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answered 2012-08-31 20:42:31 -0600

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I think it was valid. Our guru is shabad guru. So being larrivaar or not should not make much difference. True Guru is Shabad. You have to ask a question does the meaning of the shabad change when the saroop is not larivaar? If not, then you have your answer

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Pad-ched can never be good.

Nothing good has come out of Pad-ched and nothing can. All the expansion that you speak of is the exact example of what the problem in the Panth is. Too many fake "Sikhs" following a fake "Guru".

There is no Sikhi without Guru Granth Sahib jee. And Pad-ched is not Guru.

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Veerji, so does pad chad change the meaning of bani?

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answered 2012-09-04 07:56:53 -0600

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Personal belief is that pad ched saroop may have got more people aware of Sikhi but it has bought in a whole load of other detrimental Panthic wide issues.

For example: People claiming to be gianis running Gurdwarai Losing Gurbani Viakaran understanding Losing tat Gurmat parchaar Losing ekta

The concept of Gurbani being easier to read has meant any tom dick and harry who can read Punjabi comes over to the western countries and calls himself a giani. Majority of the Gurdwara problems are related to un-giani like people who claim to be gianis, yet when asked to explain tat Gurmat, they falter, they fail in their job to do parchaar, because they are not gianis, they are people who want a job and to get money.

Would these same people claiming to be gianis come into the “profession” if Gurbani was in Larrivaar? Doubt it! Those serious people interested in Gurbani and its meaning would do the “job” and hence the time spent on understanding Gurbani meaning and viakaran could be disseminated to the sangat. There would not be as many people doing this as a “job” therefore less numbers would mean less people to run Gurdwarai. Less Gurdwarai means communities have to work together more and put ego aside, as opening a new Gurdwara is more of a difficulty if you cant find they “gianis” to run it….

The issue with not many others being well versed in Larrivaar… why don’t we do what we are meant to do and get on with becoming better at reading Larrivaar? Why do we have to wait for others to help us? Have we not missed the point that we are not meant to have a middle man. Our relationship is with God directly, not through a giani…

With pad ched, we have also come to the stage that we now know best. We know better than Guru Sahib who had originally written it in Larrivaar and justify this by saying many other people have got high avastha and darshan from pad ched. It is one thing having the real King gives orders, it is another for someone wearing the Kings clothes and giving orders… Also please have a cursory look at the quality of knowledge of the Singhs and Singhnia prior 1940’s and have a look now. How many of us understand viakaran and Gurmat to the standard of the Singhs of the early 1900’s….? Why and how have we lost this knowledge…?

As we know think we know better than Guru Sahib now, groups have also started to think the same way. Be it Jatha, taksal, nihung dals….etc each one claims to be correct in the pad ched of Gurbani. Each produce Gutkai with their pad ched understanding and explain why they are correct. Gurbani is agam agaad bodh is very rarely said (unless you come to this forum) because everything is pad ched so therefore we know best. The concept of sitting down and ... (more)

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answered 2012-09-04 08:14:56 -0600

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I respect ur feelings pyaare jeeo ... there's a visible and radiant dard that u are bestowed with... what makes you speak is the feeling to make things better ...to bing us all manmukhs to Guru Saheb - what better way to ask for sarbat da bhala

my request to you ... convert your passion to a more meaningful and tangible sevaa ...

by the way, you never answered why Bhai kanhaiya jee went ahead to serve water to enemy soldiers ... may be that has a hint that brings a little peace to the jalanda jagat ...and to us as individuals ...

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